Real Vision: The Interview

The smartest minds in finance sit down for incredibly deep-diving discussions. Peer-to-peer conversations between the rock stars of the financial world.
Real Vision Mar 28, 2020
How Coronavirus Exposed the "Shaky Foundation"
What happens when an upheaval so massive forces financial markets, governments, and society to rethink how our systems work? Michael Krieger, author of the Liberty Blitzkrieg, joins Real Vision to explain what coronavirus and the response to the outbreak has revealed about the condition of American systems – from financial markets to the health care system. Tracing the story of financial markets and societal trends over the past two decades, Krieger outlines how our systems have been pushed to the brink – focusing on emergency policy responses and the everything bubble. He also provides viewers with potential solutions to the systemic decay that has been brought to the forefront by the coronavirus outbreak.
Real Vision Mar 27, 2020
Coronavirus and the Macro Consequences
Eric Peters, CIO of One River Asset Management, joins Mike Green of Logica Capital to discuss the broader economic and financial conditions markets are experiencing amid coronavirus’ chaos. The pair discuss the current macro environment, volatility, government policy responses - both monetary and fiscal. Through their breakdown of a broad array of topics, Peters and Green tackle topics ranging from global supply chains to the merger of human and machine intelligence.
Real Vision Mar 27, 2020
The Next Waves of the Financial Crisis
In the past few years, nobody could have predicted that a pandemic would be the catalyst sending shock waves through the entire global economy, plunging us into a bear market in record time. Some voices though have been screaming from the rooftops about the macroeconomic and structural weaknesses that left markets vulnerable to any potential disruption. One of those voices was Steen Jakobsen, CIO of Saxo Bank. In this interview with Roger Hirst, Jakobsen examines the weaknesses of a buyback-driven and debt-ridden market that have been quickly exposed by coronavirus. They also look into the future at how the crisis will affect real assets, the dollar, the banking system, and why, when all is said and done, we could see both inflation and deflation.
Real Vision Mar 26, 2020
Gold, Germs, and Self-Preservation
Kiril Sokoloff, chairman and founder of 13D Global Strategy and Research, joins Raoul Pal, CEO and co-founder of Real Vision, to discuss the ongoing coronavirus pandemic and its long-term consequences on monetary policy, investing, and geopolitics. Pal and Sokoloff analyze how a protracted quarantine might slow economic activity to such a degree that central banks become more active than they ever have before, either by monetizing debt or by purchasing risk assets outright. The pair also explore how the crisis might affect the 2020 election, the practice of stock buybacks, and specific assets like oil, gold, and the Japanese Yen. Released March 26, 2020.
Real Vision Mar 24, 2020
When The Everything Bubble Bursts
Keith McCullough, founder and CEO of Hedgeye Risk Management, joins Raoul Pal, CEO and co-founder of Real Vision, to explore what happens when a biological crisis turns into a financial crisis. They explain why they both think this liquidity crisis is far from over and why, as the deleveraging continues, the dollar will continue to reign supreme. They also examine whether shorting equities is worth the risk, how much juice is left in the bond trade, and if it’s too early to go into gold. Filmed on March 20, 2020, over Skype.
Real Vision Mar 24, 2020
Credit Chaos and Fool's Yield: Updating the Thesis
Dan Rasmussen, the CIO and Founder of Verdad Capital Advisers, speaks with his colleague Greg Obenshain, Verdad’s director of credit, to examine the credit market sell-off over the past two months. They focus on the recent widening of spreads and other areas of financial markets hit hardest by the recent acceleration. Rasmussen asks Obenshain what the biggest factors for returns in corporate credit are, the turmoil in the credit markets has impacted the energy sector, and where they see the biggest opportunities for investors will be coming out of the crisis. They also update Verdad’s Fool’s Yield thesis that the company has been writing about since January 2020 and that Rasmussen has presented to Real Vision members in the past few months. Filmed on March 17, 2020 over Skype.
Real Vision Mar 23, 2020
Market Fragility and the Reinforcing Panic Loop
What happens when leveraged companies that have little tolerance for risk encounter one of the greatest exogenous shocks in macroeconomic history? This is the question that Mike Green, chief strategist and portfolio manager at Logica Capital Advisors, and Srinivas Thiruvadanthai, director of research at the Jerome Levy Forecasting Center, attempt to answer in a wide-ranging conversation about the long-term consequences of the COVID-19 pandemic. They argue that the knock-on effects of this crisis are made worse by very high debt levels and that, while the coronavirus will sweep away thousands of overindebted entities, resilient market actors will nevertheless be able to emerge from this chaos stronger than ever. Filmed on March 11, 2020, in New York.
Real Vision Mar 20, 2020
Coronavirus & Zombie Ideas: How Policymakers Respond to Crisis
Paul Krugman, Nobel laureate, PhD economist, and political commenter, joins Vincent Catalano of Stuyvesant Capital Management to discuss how coronavirus mayhem has plunged financial markets, global economies, and geopolitics into chaos. Through the lens of his new book, “Arguing with Zombies: Economics, Politics, and the Fight for a Better Future,” Krugman argues that in response to coronavirus’ economic impact, the Federal government should give financial aid to state governments, local governments, and even citizens directly. Krugman and Catalano examine the role that fiscal and monetary policy play together, the importance of leadership in crises, and the potential for the enaction of seemingly extreme policy responses to the COVID-19 outbreak. Filmed on March 17, 2020 in New York.
Real Vision Mar 19, 2020
"The Dry Tinder's Been Lit"
With coronavirus wreaking havoc worldwide, it’s a perilous time to be in the market. Businesses around the world are shutting down. Equities are plummeting as investors flee to safety, and central banks, desperate to contain the financial contagion, are reaching into their arsenal to do whatever it takes. Today, Michael Gayed, portfolio manager at the ATAC Rotation Fund, sits down with Michael Venuto, chief investment officer of Toroso Investments, and explores the question that’s on everyone’s mind: Is this a fleeting moment of panic, or are we seeing the conditions for a true doomsday scenario? The pair place the massive sell-off in context, explore whether ETFs are making the violent price swings worse, and take a deep dive into the plumbing of the markets. Filmed on March 10, 2020, in New York.
Real Vision Mar 17, 2020
Deutsche Bank: On the Brink of Disaster
Part of every financial scandal, bubble, and crash is the presence of misaligned incentive structures. The precarious position of the banking system has many investors and firms scrambling for safety - even some of the largest financial institutions in the world like Deutsche Bank. David Enrich, business investigation editor for the New York Times, joins Real Vision’s Ed Harrison to discuss his new book, “Dark Towers: Deutsche Bank, Donald Trump, and an Epic Trail of Destruction.” He traces the growth and evolution of the German bank from its founding to today. Enrich outlines the system of misaligned incentives bank executives created, examines Deutsche’s relationship with President Donald Trump, and details the unreasonable risks the bank has taken on since the 2008 financial crisis. Filmed on March 4, 2020 in New York.
Real Vision Mar 14, 2020
On the Ground in a Crisis
What’s the impact on the ground from coronavirus in Italy right now? Giovanni Pozzi, managing director at a family office in Italy, joins Real Vision’s Raoul Pal to discuss his first-hand experience during the national shutdown in Italy. Pozzi details the effect he’s witnessed on the health system, the economy, and people’s behavior during the ongoing crisis. Pozzi and Pal break down the knock-on effects that coronavirus and the government’s response will have on the economy, fiscal and monetary policy, and financial markets. Filmed on March 13, 2020 via Skype in the Cayman Islands and Italy.
Real Vision Mar 13, 2020
The Dangers of Following The Herd
Jim O’Shaughnessy, chairman and co-CIO of O’Shaughnessy Asset Management, joins Real Vision’s Ed Harrison to discuss the proper investing mindset that is a prerequisite for sustained investment success. He proposes that volatile downswings in stocks is precisely why there is such a thing as an “equity risk premium.” O’Shaughnessy argues that investors who “follow the herd” are often destined for mediocre performance and that a more contrarian, counter-cyclical approach will lead to better results. Filmed on February 28, 2020, in New York.